Another Ironston Mine Midland April 2010

[krela]

I'm not keen on the direction this thread is taking. Contrary to what I said on another thread about exploring I do actually consider going underground without knowing what you're doing or where you're going reckless.

If you don't know your way around a mine. Take someone with you who does or don't go, simple as that. I'm not big on health and safety but in this instance I think it's warranted, there is no safe way of navigation which doesn't damage the location and many of the dangers of being underground require more than just common sense to recognise.

That is Derelict Places official line on safety underground... what you do as individuals is of course up to you

 

[thompski]

I'm not sure how "Die Hard Love did the whole mine" helps in navigation but oh well, what do I know

 

[remoteneeded]

...I do actually consider going underground without knowing what you're doing or where you're going reckless... Take someone with you who does or don't go, simple as that.

I completely agree. The underground enviroment can be very unforgiving if you don't know what you're doing.

Over the years many ill-prepared people have got lost in mines and although most were rescued successfully in a lot of cases this lead to the mines being permanently sealed. This happened to a mine very close the one pictured above. The more mines that are sealed the less we have to explore, simple as that.

 

[Faing]

quote:: Underground it's very easy to end up walking in circles without realising it so take a compass.
Would a compass work in an ironstone mine?

Great pica by the way.

 

[chris]

quote:: Underground it's very easy to end up walking in circles without realising it so take a compass.
Would a compass work in an ironstone mine?

Good point - I did a cave surveying course recently and we were told the readings could be distorted by the presence of iron. You take forward and backward bearings as a result so that you're aware of the distortion

 

[remoteneeded]

Would a compass work in an ironstone mine?

Yes, I've never had any major problems. I dare say it messes with the accuracy so doing proper surveying would be had but it's always vaguely pointed in the right direction for me.

 

[diehardlove]

just a few things first ive been doing underground for along time and am part of a caving club i even have caving insurance so im perfectly ok to be underground and have spent days underground to be honest i like it better than above and as remote said as long as you dont panic you are fine as sooner or latter you will come to a exit but thats a last ditch as we mark where we go and draw maps/get survey maps before going.
getting lost was a figure of speech what i should have said was i was lost on branch 4 of the survey map towards a back filled audit and it took 4 hours to find the main route which i was after ask remote he will tell you how simple the way they mine in that area is as its on a grid pattern.

glowsticks are crap and very much a problem unless the mine is tiny as once they go out you are screwed also ive been in loads of mine where they have been left and not picked up.
we also take full srt kit and first aid kit we take 2 litres of water give lat and long to a friend also i take a four gas meter to every unknown mine,
thompski the mark on the wall is from a twat that thought it funny and was messing wth me.

 

[diehardlove]

Yes, I've never had any major problems. I dare say it messes with the accuracy so doing proper surveying would be had but it's always vaguely pointed in the right direction for me.

There is a survey on the mine just say and il email you the survey for willow close too,the main route says srt on the wall if i remember right from the survey its not brilliant but it works

 

[diehardlove]

I completely agree. The underground enviroment can be very unforgiving if you don't know what you're doing.

Over the years many ill-prepared people have got lost in mines and although most were rescued successfully in a lot of cases this lead to the mines being permanently sealed. This happened to a mine very close the one pictured above. The more mines that are sealed the less we have to explore, simple as that.

The point is i do know what im doing if you look at my pics you can see helmets petzl srt kit in a black bag also you can just about make out my gas tester,i dont know if any of the comments regarding knowing what you a re doing are for me but what else can i take or do,I take underground very seriously its my main hobby i spend 2 to 3 days a week underground just ask around,ask klempner69 or tommo if i know my underground as ive guided both in a main that is 22 miles of workings

 

[krela]

Stop taking it personally, no-one said you didn't know what you were doing.

My point was that there was some advice on this thread along the lines of "take some string and glow-sticks and you'll be ok" which is bad and reckless advice. That's what I was correcting.

 

[thompski]

thompski the mark on the wall is from a twat that thought it funny and was messing wth me.

Was he the same twat who wrote you name about 30 or 40 times around Middleton? Coincidentally the handwriting looked very similar to a rather slanderous comment about myself

 

[diehardlove]

Stop taking it personally, no-one said you didn't know what you were doing.

My point was that there was some advice on this thread along the lines of "take some string and glow-sticks and you'll be ok" which is bad and reckless advice. That's what I was correcting.

sorry krela,Ive had a bad weekend and im taking too much to heart that i shoudnt my fault.
very good advice
glow sticks and string will get you killed,
research,kit and not getting complacent because the last 10 times you was ok in a mine is the key,If anyone is serious with underground a club is a bloody good way to learn lifesaving knowledge

 

[remoteneeded]

Hey diehardlove, the comments about being careful if you don't know what you're doing weren't aimed at you. We all seem to be saying the same thing - if you're relying on string and glowsticks then you really shouldn't be down there.

Regards the names written on the walls down there I don't really care who did it or why, I just want it to stop. That mine is pretty much as it was when abandoned 95 years ago and it would be nice if it were to stay that way. I went down last night and removed 90% of the writing - I'll do the rest soon. Someone's been using sheets of tin foil to mark routes and I've removed that too. I shall continue to litter-pick until the place is spotless again.

Take it easy and as they used to say on the telly, stay safe.

 

[diehardlove]

Was he the same twat who wrote you name about 30 or 40 times around Middleton? Coincidentally the handwriting looked very similar to a rather slanderous comment about myself

if it was really high up then yes it was and you can ask ojay about who has been doing it as he seen it with his own eyes,p.s what did the comment say as didnt see that but ive not been for quite sometime.also are they in chalk or dust etc.
some sad pathetic bastards out there who get the arse with you and then they think anyone give a toss when they do it i dont give a shit its my name but i do that they are doing it in the plcaes im quite flattered ive got a hater.

 

[diehardlove]

Hey diehardlove, the comments about being careful if you don't know what you're doing weren't aimed at you. We all seem to be saying the same thing - if you're relying on string and glowsticks then you really shouldn't be down there.

Regards the names written on the walls down there I don't really care who did it or why, I just want it to stop. That mine is pretty much as it was when abandoned 95 years ago and it would be nice if it were to stay that way. I went down last night and removed 90% of the writing - I'll do the rest soon. Someone's been using sheets of tin foil to mark routes and I've removed that too. I shall continue to litter-pick until the place is spotless again.

Take it easy and as they used to say on the telly, stay safe.

thanks for that i owe you a favour,tin foil ? my god !!!!.
can you do me a favour and let me know if any appear again.
The problem is there is alot doing this mine from a mine website and this is there wall in a wiltshire quarry

says it all
notice any names

 

[Engineer]

The problem is there is alot doing this mine from a mine website and this is there wall in a wiltshire quarry

says it all

The plot thickens.

 

[diehardlove]

The plot thickens.

Very very true.a well known mine website, love to write names and put my name in a dictionary lol.The good old wall of shame.
anyway this thread is well off track went off track ages ago,And im sure krela dont want all this crap like this on his website,
any chance we can get back on track as its getting daft and remote kindly sorted out the stupidity of another websites member.
thanks again remote.
If this thread has caused so much argument and crap can it just be removed as this was not what i was after.
I cant be arsed to hold grudges i just think its funny but a shame of the situation involved.

 

[Engineer]

Any Old Iron.

There's only one real answer to the problem from a simplistic point of view but that answer defeats the whole purpose of the various forums involved.
Explorers need to ask themselves the following questions. Am I recording something that will be lost forever (asylum/factory etc), or am I recording something long term which requires more sensitivity and/or protection.
Difficult call in these modern times.

 

[krela]

Enough of the politics please, this isn't the place for it.