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Dam_01

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What sort of precautions (if any) does anyone take around locations with suspect asbestos?

I know there is the argument/precaution of not disturbing the fibres in infrastructure so no smashing, drilling etc, but in more dilapidated situation where the damage to infrastructure has already occurred...?

Coveralls, masks,d disposable foot/shoe covers?

Just curious what folks use or have in their kit.

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Ah ok, sorry. Feel free to delete. Tapatalk not the most sensible app in the world.

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The short answer is a p3 mask and common sense.

Sorry, but 'common sense' plays no part in dealing with the three asbestos killers - rigid rules; obeyed to the letter every time one enters premises thought to contain asbestos, is the only way to stay safe. Those of you who have read previous content by me on this subject, will know that in the 60's and 70's I worked for the BRB, at a time when we were removing tons of the bloody stuff from the railway system. We were often asked by the Property Board to state if properties were asbestos free - something one could never do, you would have to carefully dismantle the whole structure to be certain. Pedestrian walkway bridges between tall buildings were the favourite places to miss asbestos clad pipework, boxed in on the underside - without very costly access scaffold or machinery examination was impossible.

So our explorer will wander in off the street, put on his well used P3 mask and start to walk about the interior. After a good explore they walk back to the car, chuck the mask on the back seat and drive home to the wife, kids, family - who knows? All the time shedding asbestos fibres from their contaminated clothing, never mind what falls off the mask into the interior of their vehicle. I care not one jot if explorers want to give yourselves an excruciating death in 30 odd years time, but I do care deeply about their innocent family members and contacts! My workmate and Eastern Region asbestos expert died of Mesothelioma and somehow contaminated his wife, who also died - and the situation that occurred in Armley, Leeds should leave one in no doubt of the dangers of fibre contamination carryover occurring well away from the original site.

Wear a disposable coverall in situations that are clearly marked as dangerous - if you must explore - and mask. Remove mask and coverall in the open air and place in a nylon bag, well sealed before placing in the rear of vehicle. Most importantly clean and wash the face piece of the mask after use, You would be very surprised to see what adheres to the outside of the mask, when examined under a microscope. Please stay safe!
 
Can i ask would your foot wear be a even bigger risk than a p3 mask - what i mean is would it be better to use seperate foot wear for explores and i am guessing from what you have written above never take them in to the house.
 
There are many many thousands of pages of documents about how to keep safe around asbestos, the HSE have written about the subject extensively with very detailed guidelines. If you do not follow their guidelines you are exposing yourself to risk. Not only that but you are also exposing your friends and family to risk. If you don't want that risk either take appropriate precautions as outlined by the HSE or don't explore abandoned buildings. It really is that simple.

HSE: Asbestos - health and safety in the workplace
 
Hi, Im new to this but have been in the asbestos industry for 20 years.
I would suggest you carry as a minimum;
Type 5/6 disposable overalls with hood Approx. £3 a pair
Disposable over boots Approx. £6 for 10 pairs
Disposable (decent quality) P3 mask. Approx. £3 each.
For just over £7 you can protect yourself pretty well.
I would also recommend that you carry a bottle of water just to wash face and hands down as these are often left exposed.
If you need to use any of the above, take them off in the open air so it is well ventilated. Do not reuse them once you have taken them off. Seal in polythene bag and dispose of.
If you give me rough idea what area you are in I may be able to help you locate a supplier as the likes of B&Q etc are very expensive for these items.
 
Thank you for a really good update on PPE H'ster. Needed somebody working in industry now for definitive advice - I have been out of it for too long to give valid prices - without going to a lot of extra work, which I don't need! Also you will appreciate that my comments re mask cleaning was for the none disposable type, I always liked the security of a rubber face piece that fitted well and tightly.
 
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Welcome along H'ster, sound useful information, Thanks

The question will come up again and your, Krela's and DS patience will be strained, but you may save a lot of suffering, Proper Job.
 
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In all of this discussion the question has never arisen as to how to keep your cameras and related gear contamination free

One of the many reasons I referred directly to the HSE rather than give a little bit of semi-useful information. A little bit of knowledge is a dangerous thing as they say.

I'll say it again, if it's a concern, either take the proper precautions or don't do it at all. There's not really much middle ground.
 
If its a semi regular question,would it be worth collating the sensible, experienced info into a sticky?

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Another little advise I would add is to familiarise yourselves with what asbestos looks like and in what forms. I would say that the largest threat to you guys would be pipe insulation and sprayed coating (also referred to as flock. Cement based products such as roof sheets, gutters & downpipes offer very little risk unless you proceed to smash the granny out of it. Insulation board is a higher risk and is usually found as boxing around service ducts/pipes etc. again if this is undamaged and you don't disturb the material it will offer no real danger. However pipe insulation and flock is very friable and can even be disturbed by strong winds. I know boiler rooms are of great interest to you guys and can provide stunning photo's but I would advise that if you I.D. damaged pipe insulation to leave the immediate area and move on to other areas. Please also bare in mind that exposure to asbestos will not affect you today and will have no immediate effect, but it can cripple you later on in life. Be careful and if in any don't leave the area...Have fun but stay safe.
 
Any electrical equipment is tricky to protect. With regards to cameras I would suggest using a waterproof camera or case so that it can be wiped down or washed. Cloth material needs to be laundered after any possible contamination. At the very least change your outer clothing prior to leaving the site. Like others have noted, you could be taking the contamination home to your family if you don't take sensible precautions.
But please lets not get to scared if you play safe the contamination risks is pretty low.
Others on here have recently put up pictures of Aylesford Newsprint, I am involved in the asbestos removal to the complete site and trust me it's riddled with the stuff, however we have undertaken ambient air monitoring and it indicated very low concentrations of airbourne asbestos fibres in most of the locations.
 
There is or was one person on here who was suffering from the effects of this **** he can tell you all about it first hand but his thread was quiet a while ago & I have forgotten the guys name. My advice steer clear of anywhere that might contain the stuff. I've seen the precautions they used to take in clearing the stuff out of Fairmile and how it was disposed of and they knew what they were doing, you don't so heed what people have said because in 30 odd years if you don't you will be in the position of literally dying from the crap you breathed in poking round places with Asbestos and never realised it was there your choice.
 
Night Crawler:
The last part of your last post is the most profound. " Poking around places with Asbestos and never realised it was there". This is probably the largest threat to you guys and girls on here, the not being aware of the possibilities of the presence of Asbestos. If we can empower you guys, inherently the safer you will become. If you are aware of asbestos you can make a judgement on if you proceed with the proper precautions in place. However if you haven't a clue of what you are coming up against you will be put at risk even before you realise the situation..
 
Night Crawler:
The last part of your last post is the most profound. " Poking around places with Asbestos and never realised it was there". This is probably the largest threat to you guys and girls on here, the not being aware of the possibilities of the presence of Asbestos. If we can empower you guys, inherently the safer you will become. If you are aware of asbestos you can make a judgement on if you proceed with the proper precautions in place. However if you haven't a clue of what you are coming up against you will be put at risk even before you realise the situation..

[url=https://flic.kr/p/5UDXUU] IMG_6208 by Billy Blue Eyes, on Flickr[/URL]
The photo was taken in the old laundary at Fairmile and shows one area I only looked in, no doubt other peole had a better look
http://forgottenfairmile.blogspot.co.uk/2013/10/the-boilerhouse.html

The link is my blog and shows a few photos of the boilerhouse, I only went in there when the builders gave me the OK to go in, some poor sod had to clear it out. For all I know I could have still breathed the **** in but it would not really matter much now as I'm nigh on 65 so if I live another 30 odd years I'm on a winner. Just do as people say and take care be safe
 

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