same thing was covered and argued over at 28DL, but I'm pretty sure you know that.
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Hmm don't see how?
I love going into them but not once have I needed to break into them or pick a lock
Nope, I've just got back from an exploring road trip in the South East Balkans on Monday (see future post on this site). I also don't have any interest in 28DL going's on. I just post/visit here.
If you're so against crime in the urbex world, it's seems strange you openly associate yourself with 28DL. Because it's well known that the reason that site was set up was so noobs would show off places on there, and the Admin team would go and have a 'yoinkfest' of anywhere interesting and chuck it on ebay before anyone else saw it. Talk about double standards.
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But you'll happily let others do it for you though? Or did security open a door for you to get into the welsh hospital you did, just as an example. Because it looks like the owners boarded the place up and secured it to prevent people getting in going by your photos.
Strange your website says you also visit UER
Where have I ever said I have got into a building at talgarth? The pictures say "Inside Talgarth Hospital" which they are by putting the camera on timer, on the tripod through a broken window - a window that was already broken.
I would love it if you could explain how I am letting others break in for me. What the hell am I supposed to do....stand at every derelict site in the world and stop people from going in? Personally I think your taking this a little too far and making it a little more personal than anything now.
Your picking on stuff that myself and Paul have said direct to the press via their comments board and now questioning the method of my photos.
Would you also like me to explain how I entered 99% of the flats at Billy Banks?
Also, just incase you throw the same question at me regarding the tax payers paying to get me out of a site if needed. It's my choice to enter the site, it will be my job to get myself out. Should it not be possible, ah well, life insurance goes to my family anyway to set them up for life.
This thread is just going to go around and around and you obviously feel that breaking into places is a good thing and that is your choice. Each to their own and all that but as I said earlier, I do not break in and nor do I allow people to break in. I will use the entrances that they make and if possible, I will conceal the entrance too in the attempt to make it harder for others to gain entrance that are just their to cause trouble.
No wonder why security and land owners give honest UEs a bloody hard time
I'm pointing out the non-nonsensicalness of your comments and the way the press report things. If you have internal shots of a hospital, the press (like I have) can imply you broke in. That's how the press work, especially tabloids. That would make you no better than the so called LCC people in the eyes of Joe Public. I'm playing devil's advocate with you and Paul. I'm merely pointing out that no one is whiter than white in the UE game and that the tabloids can twist things to their agenda.
Equally, because one person is hellbent on pushing things as far as possible before doing porridge, and another is looking to wind up the authorities/public until a point where if they get caught they'll likely be deported. That's their lookout. Not all black people are drug dealers, not all gypsies are thieves, not all single mums sit on the couch all day with 20 Bensons. If you think the actions of a couple of people represent everyone in a scene/racial group/social group etc. I imagine you believe everything you read in the gutter press. I'd like to think you and the majority of the public were a bit smarter than that.
They give you a hard time because you're trespassing on their land when you shouldn't be! That's why they give you a hard time. If you want to avoid getting a hard time, ask for permission from the land owner. Equally If you go shopping in Tesco in the nude, you can also expect to get a hard time, because you shouldn't be doing it.
Also, the Mods may disagree, but this site isn't about UE, it's about documenting decay (which may involve UE). This is why I don't put up more pure UE stuff on here (or even GE). I could put up skyscrapers, metro stuff or bridges etc, but I don't feel they fit here.
p.s. PP, uer.ca is a Canadian website with no more than a handful of UK members.
Equally, because one person is hellbent on pushing things as far as possible before doing porridge, and another is looking to wind up the authorities/public until a point where if they get caught they'll likely be deported. That's their lookout. Not all black people are drug dealers, not all gypsies are thieves, not all single mums sit on the couch all day with 20 Bensons. If you think the actions of a couple of people represent everyone in a scene/racial group/social group etc. I imagine you believe everything you read in the gutter press. I'd like to think you and the majority of the public were a bit smarter than that.
They give you a hard time because you're trespassing on their land when you shouldn't be! That's why they give you a hard time. If you want to avoid getting a hard time, ask for permission from the land owner. Equally If you go shopping in Tesco in the nude, you can also expect to get a hard time, because you shouldn't be doing it.
Also, the Mods may disagree, but this site isn't about UE, it's about documenting decay (which may involve UE). This is why I don't put up more pure UE stuff on here (or even GE). I could put up skyscrapers, metro stuff or bridges etc, but I don't feel they fit here.
p.s. PP, uer.ca is a Canadian website with no more than a handful of UK members.
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Oh I agree, you're quite right. I also agree with everything else you've said.
I agree that the press are a pain at the best of times and they do twist things to fit the story line that they want to run and I don't believe half of the stuff that they print. I also agree that they are quite capable of saying that I broke into the hospital to take a photo but that is something that I can easily deal with should that happen.
What I'm getting at is that people do pay attention to the press. Would you walk onto a gypsy site and feel safe? Probably not and thats because the press normally report them as dangerous people. 99% of the time, they are nice people.
When I have asked permission before, Land owners still refuse in most cases because they know that it is just attracting more and more people to the site. I wouldn't report somewhere that was untouched - not on a public website.
As I said this is just going to go around and around and we are entitled to our own views and opinions on the matter of photographers breaking into buildings to get that shot.
Indeed, this is what a forum is for. Sharing views and opinions, otherwise it'd be a bit dull.
You and others shared your opinions on a site read by cerebrally challenged people, sorry, Daily Fail/Chelsea Times readers criticising others partaking UE activities. I'm merely highlighting that the press could say the same about you. Although sensibly you haven't gone around saying you break into places. The Press could still imply you have, and you have no defence to prove you didn't smash the window to get your picture.
It would be better if people that care about UE didn't comment on trashy tabloid crap imho. They're always going to sex this stuff up to fill column space on a slow news day. Whether it's 'Urbex thieves smash up Welsh Hospital' or 'Urbex idiot climbs tall tower' etc etc. You merely give them and their readers more ammunition and make out your holier than thou, which is dangerous territory.
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JEEEEEZZZ! We don't need some naff newspaper to upset us ....we seem to be griping amongst ourselves quite well without them. Give it a break chaps! 
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Everyone needs to take a chillax pill when it comes to the press. Unless the Daily Mail starts some kind of campaign to change the trespass law, it will never effect the day to day exploring life.
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Steady on folks.
It's the Daily Mail, their opinions are only vaguely more valid than the Sport. If it were the Guardian or Telegraph I'd be more concerned, but the Daily Mail make their living from generating moral outrage in pensioners.
It's really not important, and I agree that the comments on that article are worse than the article itself. It doesn't do anyone any favours.
It's the Daily Mail, their opinions are only vaguely more valid than the Sport. If it were the Guardian or Telegraph I'd be more concerned, but the Daily Mail make their living from generating moral outrage in pensioners.
It's really not important, and I agree that the comments on that article are worse than the article itself. It doesn't do anyone any favours.
He's a media whore, his name is in the press (again) so I suspect his ego is suitably massaged for the short term.
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Enough of the politics and name calling now. That's not what this forum is about.
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